Recruiting run starts today!!!!

Awesome, hoping things go well....got a lot of faith in Kirby

Lotta beeg decisions this week. CJ Wiley, come on down.

I'd like to see the DL get some commits. The board there needs some clarity with dudes like Wynn possibly not having space. That said, this is gonna be a great class.

I hope recruiting goes well. That said, at least half of the new recruits will be gone in two years thanks to NIL and the portal. I guess Kirby wants to establish a solid base of good players who will stay for at least three years and use them as the foundation for talent.

College football had a good run.

(06-24-2024, 07:24 AM)Replying to DawgNatty Recruiting run starts today!!!!

Imma wait till bNe tells me about it

(06-24-2024, 08:25 AM)Replying to Toasty B

(06-24-2024, 07:24 AM)Replying to DawgNatty Recruiting run starts today!!!!

Imma wait till bNe tells me about it

He should start his own site.  He could name it "I'mneverwrongandeveryoneelseisstupid.net".

(06-24-2024, 08:25 AM)Replying to JC-DAWG83 I hope recruiting goes well.  That said, at least half of the new recruits will be gone in two years thanks to NIL and the portal.  I guess Kirby wants to establish a solid base of good players who will stay for at least three years and use them as the foundation for talent.

College football had a good run.

it is crazy that that is our new normal.....the pendulum has to swing back at least a bit

(06-24-2024, 08:32 AM)Replying to Milldawg

(06-24-2024, 08:25 AM)Replying to JC-DAWG83 I hope recruiting goes well.  That said, at least half of the new recruits will be gone in two years thanks to NIL and the portal.  I guess Kirby wants to establish a solid base of good players who will stay for at least three years and use them as the foundation for talent.

College football had a good run.

it is crazy that that is our new normal.....the pendulum has to swing back at least a bit

Toothpaste is out of the tube imo.  Any attempt to reign it back in will result in lawsuits.  IMO; the only way it can change is for the actual schools to take over athletics and change rules of participation so that athletes must be admitted through regular admission channels and be enrolled at the school before they can be on a team.

(06-24-2024, 08:39 AM)Replying to JC-DAWG83

(06-24-2024, 08:32 AM)Replying to Milldawg

(06-24-2024, 08:25 AM)Replying to JC-DAWG83 I hope recruiting goes well.  That said, at least half of the new recruits will be gone in two years thanks to NIL and the portal.  I guess Kirby wants to establish a solid base of good players who will stay for at least three years and use them as the foundation for talent.

College football had a good run.

it is crazy that that is our new normal.....the pendulum has to swing back at least a bit

Toothpaste is out of the tube imo.  Any attempt to reign it back in will result in lawsuits.  IMO; the only way it can change is for the actual schools to take over athletics and change rules of participation so that athletes must be admitted through regular admission channels and be enrolled at the school before they can be on a team.

you are likely right but at some point people will start looking at ROI and that would have to reign in the money...maybe not...who knows....how many Jimmie Rane's are out there?

I find it "interesting", to say the least, that there is so much hand-wringing over the insurmountable burden of college debt, yet athletes who get a complete free ride, along with so much else that is outside of the actual tuition costs, are somehow being ripped off, used, exploited, etc.

If an athlete can accept NIL, then they should be automatically disqualified from receiving any form of scholarship. They can't have it both ways.

(06-24-2024, 09:07 AM)Replying to Milldawg

(06-24-2024, 08:39 AM)Replying to JC-DAWG83

(06-24-2024, 08:32 AM)Replying to Milldawg

(06-24-2024, 08:25 AM)Replying to JC-DAWG83 I hope recruiting goes well.  That said, at least half of the new recruits will be gone in two years thanks to NIL and the portal.  I guess Kirby wants to establish a solid base of good players who will stay for at least three years and use them as the foundation for talent.

College football had a good run.

it is crazy that that is our new normal.....the pendulum has to swing back at least a bit

Toothpaste is out of the tube imo.  Any attempt to reign it back in will result in lawsuits.  IMO; the only way it can change is for the actual schools to take over athletics and change rules of participation so that athletes must be admitted through regular admission channels and be enrolled at the school before they can be on a team.

you are likely right but at some point people will start looking at ROI and that would have to reign in the money...maybe not...who knows....how many Jimmie Rane's are out there?

ROI is already negative on the NIL side.  There is no way the people who are pouring money into NIL collectives are realizing any sort of profit.  This money is purely ego driven discretionary spending.

(06-24-2024, 09:11 AM)Replying to RockmartDawg I find it "interesting", to say the least, that there is so much hand-wringing over the insurmountable burden of college debt, yet athletes who get a complete free ride, along with so much else that is outside of the actual tuition costs, are somehow being ripped off, used, exploited, etc.

If an athlete can accept NIL, then they should be automatically disqualified from receiving any form of scholarship. They can't have it both ways.

1000% agree with this.  Scholarship dollars offset/paid back by NIL dollars.

I don't get the angst over paying back scholarship dollars and NIL has hurt my love for the game. That scholarship cost number is an accounting trick, does no one realize that?

Please kee blaming "greedy" yong men for playing at capitalism, while the goobers that gave everyone this did for cheap labor and knowingly taking advantage of it.

What aggravates me is the way the UGAA shits on longtime donors.

We've got a great coach who can game the game. Be thankful for that.

This will be a great class.

(06-24-2024, 10:40 AM)Replying to Shadrach I don't get the angst over paying back scholarship dollars and NIL has hurt my love for the game.  That scholarship cost number is an accounting trick, does no one realize that? 

Please kee blaming "greedy" yong men for playing at capitalism, while the goobers that gave everyone this did for cheap labor and knowingly taking advantage of it. 

What aggravates me is the way the UGAA shits on longtime donors. 

We've got a great coach who can game the game.  Be thankful for that. 

This will be a great class.

The UGAAA actually pays the university for tuition, room and board.  Actual dollars change hands and out of state athletes are charged out of state tuition.  I think they have to do this in order for the UGAAA to be a true separate entity.  Academic scholarships are accounting tricks.  The university simply enters a credit on a students account and debits the scholarship account an equal amount.  No actual money changes hands.

I agree about how the UGAAA treats long time donors but the UGAAA is a business, not some benevolent organization that is concerned with the happiness of its members.  Right now, the UGAAA has a product that is in very high demand and they are going to squeeze every dollar they can out of the people who are willing to pay for the product.

We do have a great coach but I wonder how long he is going to be willing to work in this new system?  I can't imagine it is very enjoyable being a college football coach right now, even if you are very successful.  He certainly doesn't need the money anymore unless he has been blowing money on a grand scale.  With the way the game is going I think we will be lucky to have him more than 5 more years.

(06-24-2024, 10:40 AM)Replying to Shadrach I don't get the angst over paying back scholarship dollars and NIL has hurt my love for the game.  That scholarship cost number is an accounting trick, does no one realize that? 

Please kee blaming "greedy" yong men for playing at capitalism, while the goobers that gave everyone this did for cheap labor and knowingly taking advantage of it. 

What aggravates me is the way the UGAA shits on longtime donors. 

We've got a great coach who can game the game.  Be thankful for that. 

This will be a great class.

To me the tuition etc is the benefits package and NIL is the salary. I've made the argument on here before that these kids should be squeezing as much money out of the current structure as they possibly can, because there is plenty of money to go around as evidence by coaching salaries. For that position I was called a Marxist and told I had class envy (I'll let you guess what poster made that comment). I'd also be fine if these players signed contracts and were treated as employees - amateurism is dead in major college sports.

GATA Kirby!

(06-24-2024, 01:40 PM)Replying to Tomato Sandwich

(06-24-2024, 10:40 AM)Replying to Shadrach I don't get the angst over paying back scholarship dollars and NIL has hurt my love for the game.  That scholarship cost number is an accounting trick, does no one realize that? 

Please kee blaming "greedy" yong men for playing at capitalism, while the goobers that gave everyone this did for cheap labor and knowingly taking advantage of it. 

What aggravates me is the way the UGAA shits on longtime donors. 

We've got a great coach who can game the game.  Be thankful for that. 

This will be a great class.

To me the tuition etc is the benefits package and NIL is the salary. I've made the argument on here before that these kids should be squeezing as much money out of the current structure as they possibly can, because there is plenty of money to go around as evidence by coaching salaries. For that position I was called a Marxist and told I had class envy (I'll let you guess what poster made that comment). I'd also be fine if these players signed contracts and were treated as employees - amateurism is dead in major college sports.

If they are employees, who are they employees of?  If it is the athletic association, there is no way to require them to be students.  If it is the university, again, there is no way to require them to be students.  Employees have to be covered by workers compensation insurance and offered group health insurance and all the other benefits the other employees are offered.  

Amateurism is barely hanging on in that the schools and the teams are not paying the players directly but it won't last much longer.