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Can't say I'm shocked, those guys rocked bitd. Still do but man were they awesome back then.

Rock is dead as far as commercial radio play.  I thought The Struts might save it but does not seem to be. I have listened to some of the college radio bands my 21 year old daughter likes and they are really good, but they just do not get the Label support and promotion anymore.  I don’t see how you make it as a
Rock musician today. Seems like it’s all about rap and Taylor. I

(07-02-2024, 07:20 AM)Replying to CornersDawg

You have to draw a crowd touring to make in the music biz anymore..

Record sales are no longer a thing..

(07-02-2024, 08:01 AM)Replying to McDonoughDawg

You have to draw a crowd touring to make in the music biz anymore..

Record sales are no longer a thing..
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Sort of a Catch-22 iyam.  If you don't get airplay of your music you will have a hard time creating a fan base that will pay to see you on tour but the industry won't give you airplay unless you can draw a crowd on tour.

(07-02-2024, 08:22 AM)Replying to JC-DAWG83

You have to draw a crowd touring to make in the music biz anymore..

Record sales are no longer a thing..
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Sort of a Catch-22 iyam.  If you don't get airplay of your music you will have a hard time creating a fan base that will pay to see you on tour but the industry won't give you airplay unless you can draw a crowd on tour.
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Some of the best musicians out there are those most people have never heard. In order to not get raped by record companies and management, artists have gone the route of self-producing their music. I've seen some really cool efforts through "crowd-funding" by which they offer tiered packages based upon how much money people contribute toward getting their new/upcoming music recorded and even CDs and vinyl produced. I've seen at least one artist who offered to come play for a house party if you contributed something like $3,000. 

You do have to really dig around and find artists anymore, as they are relying less and less on corporate production and all of the getting financially raped that comes with it. Fortunately, using platforms like Amazon are very helpful, as if you find an artist's music that you like they will give recommendations based upon purchases made by others, i.e. "if you like ABC you may also like DEF" and so on. I've lucked up on lots of great stuff doing exactly that.

Corporate music is horrible... pathetic. But they don't lack a sheeple fan base to make them millions upon millions.

(07-02-2024, 07:20 AM)Replying to CornersDawg

I've had hopes that rock was making a commercial comeback.  There are a lot of pure rock artists trying to make it, and several 90s acts making new music, but sadly, commercial radio seems to be all about pop/pop-country these days.  All this computer generated stuff doesn't seem to be going away and it's lame.

My 12 year old daughter is a nirvana fan and also actually likes a lot of the 80s pop/rock stuff because of Stranger Things, so I still have hope that there is an audience for it.  She also listens to Taylor Swift and a lot of other solo female acts that I would have never heard of if it wasn't for her.  They're pure singers that play the piano or just sing with strings or similar.  I don't enjoy Taylor Swift, and I don't think she's a good influence, but if my parents had worried about that, I would have missed out on a lot of really good stuff.

99x's comeback has been mostly enjoyable for me, if they would just stay away from that whiny emo-crap that was popular in the early 2000s...

(07-02-2024, 11:06 AM)Replying to dncdawg

I've had hopes that rock was making a commercial comeback.  There are a lot of pure rock artists trying to make it, and several 90s acts making new music, but sadly, commercial radio seems to be all about pop/pop-country these days.  All this computer generated stuff doesn't seem to be going away and it's lame.

My 12 year old daughter is a nirvana fan and also actually likes a lot of the 80s pop/rock stuff because of Stranger Things, so I still have hope that there is an audience for it.  She also listens to Taylor Swift and a lot of other solo female acts that I would have never heard of if it wasn't for her.  They're pure singers that play the piano or just sing with strings or similar.  I don't enjoy Taylor Swift, and I don't think she's a good influence, but if my parents had worried about that, I would have missed out on a lot of really good stuff.

99x's comeback has been mostly enjoyable for me, if they would just stay away from that whiny emo-crap that was popular in the early 2000s...
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I spent the afternoon Sunday on a friend's boat with his HS junior daughter, twin HS senior sons and four or five of their friends.  He asked me to come along to help with the boat and basically provide another adult in the group.  I was pleasantly surprised at the music the kids were playing.  There was some lame ass bro country stuff that all sounds pretty much exactly the same but the majority (90%) was legit rock and roll from the late '70s on.  My buddy told me that was what the kids are listening to now and rap is pretty much dead except for an occasional song thrown in at a party that is a "dance song".  The boys still listen to some country but it seems to be losing some popularity.

I am not a fan of Taylor Swift but she isn't targeting me as a fan.  I don't dislike her music but it is pretty much the "bubble gum pop" of this generation.  The vast bulk of her fans are the 10-14 yr old age group and very much mostly girls.  I admire her hard work and her success, she has made a killing with her music.  I used to think she was really good looking (I know she divides opinions on that subject) but she has gotten a little thick between the stomach and knees in the past couple years.  I hope she doesn't follow the Madonna path and refuse to admit when her times passes.  At age 34, she is approaching the age that the tweens and young teens can't relate to.

(07-02-2024, 12:39 PM)Replying to JC-DAWG83

I've had hopes that rock was making a commercial comeback.  There are a lot of pure rock artists trying to make it, and several 90s acts making new music, but sadly, commercial radio seems to be all about pop/pop-country these days.  All this computer generated stuff doesn't seem to be going away and it's lame.

My 12 year old daughter is a nirvana fan and also actually likes a lot of the 80s pop/rock stuff because of Stranger Things, so I still have hope that there is an audience for it.  She also listens to Taylor Swift and a lot of other solo female acts that I would have never heard of if it wasn't for her.  They're pure singers that play the piano or just sing with strings or similar.  I don't enjoy Taylor Swift, and I don't think she's a good influence, but if my parents had worried about that, I would have missed out on a lot of really good stuff.

99x's comeback has been mostly enjoyable for me, if they would just stay away from that whiny emo-crap that was popular in the early 2000s...
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I spent the afternoon Sunday on a friend's boat with his HS junior daughter, twin HS senior sons and four or five of their friends.  He asked me to come along to help with the boat and basically provide another adult in the group.  I was pleasantly surprised at the music the kids were playing.  There was some lame ass bro country stuff that all sounds pretty much exactly the same but the majority (90%) was legit rock and roll from the late '70s on.  My buddy told me that was what the kids are listening to now and rap is pretty much dead except for an occasional song thrown in at a party that is a "dance song".  The boys still listen to some country but it seems to be losing some popularity.

I am not a fan of Taylor Swift but she isn't targeting me as a fan.  I don't dislike her music but it is pretty much the "bubble gum pop" of this generation.  The vast bulk of her fans are the 10-14 yr old age group and very much mostly girls.  I admire her hard work and her success, she has made a killing with her music.  I used to think she was really good looking (I know she divides opinions on that subject) but she has gotten a little thick between the stomach and knees in the past couple years.  I hope she doesn't follow the Madonna path and refuse to admit when her times passes.  At age 34, she is approaching the age that the tweens and young teens can't relate to.
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Rap doesn't even really exist as a genre anymore.  It's trap/hood music and it's way worse than the most graphic of that genre that you ever heard in the 80s-90s.  It isn't really popular anywhere but in the hood.  They don't get a lot of radio play because they have to edit so much out of it, that there's few words left.

(07-02-2024, 12:39 PM)Replying to JC-DAWG83

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I spent the afternoon Sunday on a friend's boat with his HS junior daughter, twin HS senior sons and four or five of their friends.  He asked me to come along to help with the boat and basically provide another adult in the group.  I was pleasantly surprised at the music the kids were playing.  There was some lame ass bro country stuff that all sounds pretty much exactly the same but the majority (90%) was legit rock and roll from the late '70s on.  My buddy told me that was what the kids are listening to now and rap is pretty much dead except for an occasional song thrown in at a party that is a "dance song".  The boys still listen to some country but it seems to be losing some popularity.

I am not a fan of Taylor Swift but she isn't targeting me as a fan.  I don't dislike her music but it is pretty much the "bubble gum pop" of this generation.  The vast bulk of her fans are the 10-14 yr old age group and very much mostly girls.  I admire her hard work and her success, she has made a killing with her music.  I used to think she was really good looking (I know she divides opinions on that subject) but she has gotten a little thick between the stomach and knees in the past couple years.  I hope she doesn't follow the Madonna path and refuse to admit when her times passes.  At age 34, she is approaching the age that the tweens and young teens can't relate to.
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Rock, pop, and really any other genre are toast when it comes down to it.  There is very little good 'pop' music being made these days even by the standards of today's youth.  They listen to more oldies than we did, and we had some classic music still being made.  Video really did kill the radio star, it just took a generation for it to happen.  The distinctions between the types of music are more blurred, more continuous, and people can make and publish decent music with a relatively small following.  But the stars became more visually oriented rather than sound oriented.

I'm not listening to much pop these days, but I see Taylor Swift differently.  She's actually a decent musician, she came to fame singing songs she wrote that were better by far than the three chord come do me pop of that time.  And she's been appealing to 12-15 year olds for dang near a generation at this point, and the older ones are still listening.  She at least has an appreciation for her fans.  She's the only artist in the top 15 of all time other than Rihanna that hasn't been making music at least since the 90s.  And there is a decent chance she will exceed units sold by any other artist by the time she's done.

(07-02-2024, 02:45 PM)Replying to Concourse E

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I spent the afternoon Sunday on a friend's boat with his HS junior daughter, twin HS senior sons and four or five of their friends.  He asked me to come along to help with the boat and basically provide another adult in the group.  I was pleasantly surprised at the music the kids were playing.  There was some lame ass bro country stuff that all sounds pretty much exactly the same but the majority (90%) was legit rock and roll from the late '70s on.  My buddy told me that was what the kids are listening to now and rap is pretty much dead except for an occasional song thrown in at a party that is a "dance song".  The boys still listen to some country but it seems to be losing some popularity.

I am not a fan of Taylor Swift but she isn't targeting me as a fan.  I don't dislike her music but it is pretty much the "bubble gum pop" of this generation.  The vast bulk of her fans are the 10-14 yr old age group and very much mostly girls.  I admire her hard work and her success, she has made a killing with her music.  I used to think she was really good looking (I know she divides opinions on that subject) but she has gotten a little thick between the stomach and knees in the past couple years.  I hope she doesn't follow the Madonna path and refuse to admit when her times passes.  At age 34, she is approaching the age that the tweens and young teens can't relate to.
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Rock, pop, and really any other genre are toast when it comes down to it.  There is very little good 'pop' music being made these days even by the standards of today's youth.  They listen to more oldies than we did, and we had some classic music still being made.  Video really did kill the radio star, it just took a generation for it to happen.  The distinctions between the types of music are more blurred, more continuous, and people can make and publish decent music with a relatively small following.  But the stars became more visually oriented rather than sound oriented.

I'm not listening to much pop these days, but I see Taylor Swift differently.  She's actually a decent musician, she came to fame singing songs she wrote that were better by far than the three chord come do me pop of that time.  And she's been appealing to 12-15 year olds for dang near a generation at this point, and the older ones are still listening.  She at least has an appreciation for her fans.  She's the only artist in the top 15 of all time other than Rihanna that hasn't been making music at least since the 90s.  And there is a decent chance she will exceed units sold by any other artist by the time she's done.
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Like I said, I admire her success and her hard work.  She is actually talented and has made it on her talent and not by being over the top crazy or profane.  That she writes her own songs is pretty impressive in this day and age.  Her music doesn't appeal to me but I don't find it objectionable in any way.  I guess I can't really relate to the early teen angst over being dumped by my boyfriend or treated badly by my friends and other kids and feeling like an outcast.  She has earned her success.

I guess I wonder how much longer she can really "connect" with the 12-15 year old girl demographic.  Kids that age see a 35 year old as being as old as Joe Biden.  Some shiny new thing is bound to come around and capture their attention.

My 15 & 13 year olds prefer alice in chains, smashing pumpkins, nirvana, etc., over anything played today, outside of indy music (mac demarco, vacations, etc.). there is hope for this generation, but it seems to be dwindling.

Good stuff. Great time to been alive and witness.